Wooly

 

If you haven’t already done so, please take a look at Jason’s Wild Hunt blog entry Tarot Problems from 17 May.

Summary:

  • women hired to read Tarot for entertainment for a corporate function
  • at the function, somebody complains on religious grounds
  • she was, essentially, bounced

Before you start howling about freedom of religion, let me throw in a different way to look and approach the problem, and then see what you’all have to say.

Why do we allow Tarot to be labeled for ‘entertainment purposes only’? I know many of the fundie statutes try to outlaw it, and it’s gotten around by labeling it ‘for entertainment purposes only’, but why would a real practitioner agree to come in for ‘entertainment purposes only’?

Would you hire a priest to come in and perform a Mass for ‘entertainment purposes’? A rabbi? You might have a church choir come in and sing for entertainment, but would you allow a ritual that touches the divine to be profaned by lowering it to be pandered for ‘entertainment purposes’?

Perhaps if, instead, she had pushed back and pointed out (in advance) that divination is a part of her religion, and is something she is willing to share with others as part of sharing her religion, there might have been a different outcome (or the company might have run screaming in the first place, but that’s a different discussion). At that point it’s ‘my religion versus your religion’, which would have possibly generated a much different response from the corporation based on the complaint.

And if she did agree to come in as hired, for pay for ‘entertainment purposes only’, then on what grounds can we claim any sort of religious discrimination? If, as Jason’s blog states “One of the assistant managers has promised that she’ll be paid, as initially agreed”, then there is no contractual default (IANAL).

So what’s your opinion? Do we loose moral (not to mention legal) high ground if we allow Tarot to be labeled as merely ‘for entertainment purposes only’? Does the use of divination as a parlor trick lessen its impact as a real divination tool as viewed by the general public? And, if so, then what to do with the legitimate readers who aren’t Pagan?

 

XKCD cartoon on Blogging

I’m quite fond of XKCD. I though today’s cartoon was amusingly appropriate for this forum. Although hopefully, through actual (gasp!) content and discussions, perhaps we will (also) build better relationships.

 

“And so my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country”
— Inaguration speech, John F. Kennedy, 20 January 1960.

This is a short post and a bit of a rant.

Last Monday I had to go in for jury duty. It’s certainly not my favorite thing to do. It’s a disturbance to my schedule (well, a bit less right now since I’m currently unemployed) and in general a bit of a pain in the ass (especially with the chairs they have in the petit jury room). It’s typically a long, boring process of “Hurry up and wait!” I rarely get chosen to sit on a jury – I’m intelligent, questioning, and well informed. These are all traits, I’ve been told, that lawyers on both sides dislike in a juror. And, as per a quote attributed to Claus von Bülow, “Those are not my peers.” Out of 200 people called to report that Monday, only 38 (19%) actually showed up. That’s 81% who didn’t even bother to show. And that doesn’t count the number who gave excuses or claimed exemptions to not be counted at all.

But it’s something I do. It’s something we should all do.

When I told people I was going in for jury duty, I frequently heard “Why?” One comment that stuck out was ‘the only people that show up for jury duty are the ones too stupid to get out of it’.

‘Civic duty’ is that duty we owe to the state. IMHO, all citizens doing their civic duty is one of the underpinnings that keep the state running and cannot (or should not) be replaced by hiring more ‘civil servants’. It extends from simple activities such as jury duty to my ambiguity of the long term wisdom and potential negative consequences to the US of replacing the draft with an all-volunteer military.

Far too often today we as a society look to the state with our hands extended to receive a handout rather than extended to help. Why have we forgotten JFK’s (used to be) famous exhortation?

  1. How do we as individuals try to better meet JFK’s challenge?
  2. How as members of communities – both Pagan and secular – do we try to do the same?
  3. What (if anything) does your tradition say about meeting your secular civic duties (e.g., does it have an equivalent of “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”)?
 

Recently issues with depictions of Mohammed (PBUH) and the reactions – ranging from riots to murders – are back in the headlines. Historically, Salman Rushdie is still under death threats. The murder of Theo van Gogh, the 2005 riots and deaths over the Danish cartoon controversy and Geert Wilders’ movie ‘Fitna’ all fall into this group.

The most recent threats were triggered by the censorship of South Park by Comedy Central.

From the blog of the website that issued the threat:

“We have to warn Matt (Stone) and Trey (Parker) that what they are doing is stupid and they will probably wind up like Theo Van Gogh for airing this show,” said a post on RevolutionMuslim.com.

The website posted an accompaning graphic photo of the late Dutch filmmaker Van Gogh, who was killed in 2004 by an Islamic militant over a movie he made that accused Islam of condoning violence against women.

Also posted was link to a news article with details of a mansion in Colorado that Parker and Stone apparently own, suggesting they know where to find the South Park creators.

Younus Abdullah Muhammad, head of Revolution Muslim, said the post was not a threat.

“How is that a threat? Showing a case study right there of what happened to another individual who conducted himself in a very similar manner? It’s just evidence,” he told Reuters.

Muhammad said his group “didn’t tell anyone to go to their houses and conduct violence.”…

Therefore, as Muslims we do not define speech which has no place in a moral society as “free speech.”

— From The Revolution Muslim site, which should be at either http://revolutionmuslim.blogspot.com/ or http://revolutionmuslim.com/ but both seem to be erratically up and down (but was up for me long enough to grab the quotes) and also seems to revise itself often; yesterday they listed 33 posts in April; today they only list 31?

Reactions were consistent from both sides:

Matt Stone and Trey Parker have issued a statement:

In the 14 years we’ve been doing South Park we have never done a show that we couldn’t stand behind. We delivered our version of the show to Comedy Central and they made a determination to alter the episode. It wasn’t some meta-joke on our part. Comedy Central added the bleeps. In fact, Kyle’s customary final speech was about intimidation and fear. It didn’t mention Muhammad at all but it got bleeped too. We’ll be back next week with a whole new show about something completely different and we’ll see what happens to it.”
— From HuffPo’s
South Park’s Depiction Of Muhammad Censored AGAIN

Freedom of speech is at stake here, don’t you all see? If anything, we should all make cartoons of Mohammed and show the terrorists and the extremists that we are all united in the belief that every person has a right to say what they want. Look people, it’s been really easy for us to stand up for free speech lately. For the past few decades, we haven’t had to risk anything to defend it. One of those times is right now. And if we aren’t willing to risk what we have now, then we just believe in free speech, but won’t defend it.
— From Michelle Malkin’s South Park And Cartoon Jihad

Finally, in reaction, there is a movement to make May 20 ‘Everybody Draw Mohammed Day’. Regardless of the actual participation in ‘Everybody Draw Mohammed Day’, I’m sure the extremist Muslim community will threaten even more violence and reprisals, all in the name of protecting their religion. I’m also sure the moderate Muslim community will remain invisibly and quiet in the background. It’s this latter silence which provokes my anger at the moderate Muslims. All religions have their extremists, but in the majority the moderates stand out as a voice of reason. I haven’t seen this happen broadly yet in the Muslim community. I remember, for example, during The Troubles in Northern Ireland both the Catholic and Protestant churches railed against the violence.

So a few question for you, my gentle readers.

  1. Will you participate in ‘Everybody Draw Mohammed Day’ on 20 May? Why or Why Not?
  2. What’s your opinion of the Muslim extremists who riot and kill, claiming their religion demands capital punishment for anyone who defiles the Prophet?
  3. What’s your opinion of the Mulsim moderates who stay quiet?
  4. Are there any circumstances where you believe disrespect towards your personal religion justifies you (or another member of your religion) to assault and/or murder the offending parties?
 

I don’t believe the right wing(nuts) are going to take over the Federal government and create a theocracy. Nor do I believe the left wing(nuts) are going to take over the Federal government and move us into socialism/communism. Our Federal system of government has too many built-in checks and balances to allow us to swing further than somewhat uncomfortable for the other side. I find people who prattle on about either case to be a bit of a bore, as well as wildly inaccurate in their ability to research facts and trends. And they are wasting time yelling the ‘sky is falling’ about a non-issue whilst ignoring real problems.

I do believe there is a danger, and we’re already in trouble. It comes, interestingly enough, from both sides. And it involves education in both cases. The danger is in too tightly focusing on the broad national partisan fight when there are closer local issues that are just as (if not more) important.

Fundamentalist Right

Over the past decade or so the fundamentalists have stealthily invaded and taken over key positions under the radar which are hurting us. What am I talking about? K-12 education. By running for and winning positions on local schools boards and on boards who influence both course curriculum and textbooks, they have managed to have an influence far larger than their numbers allow at a national level.

The latest saga is the Texas textbook fight (see, for example, the NY Times article Texas Conservatives Seek Deeper Stamp on Texts). But this wasn’t done by some group of crypto-conspirators sulking in back alleys. It was done by pure democracy – by the conservatives running for, and winning, mostly lightly or uncontested spots on the Texas State Board of Education. And Texas, being such a large state, seriously impacts the textbooks for the rest of the US. Although there are quite a few areas where perhaps their impact has provided a more balanced presentation, there are others where it has not.

From, again, a NY Times article:

In reality, this controversy is the latest version of a debate that reaches back many decades and is perhaps essential in a heterogeneous democracy whose identity has long been in flux…
Even the Texas curriculum’s most disputed item – its assertion that the Founders envisioned America as a divinely inspired Christian nation – is not as radical as it sounds.
In 1964, in a series of lectures on America’s founding documents, starting with the Mayflower Compact, the political scientist Willmoore Kendall theorized that “the nascent society that interprets itself in the Compact is in some sense a religious, more specifically a Christian, society, which calls God in as witness to its act of founding.”
Mr. Kendall teased out the implications through close readings of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Federalist Papers. But his analysis stressed the “symbolic” aspects of those texts, and his nuanced discussion drew on counterarguments by other scholars.
In contrast, the Texas board’s description of America as a “Judeo-Christian” nation treats ideas and events that have been under continual reinterpretation and revision for decades as literal and settled truth.

— From In Texas Curriculum Fight, Identity Politics Leans Right

Socialist Left

Likewise the socialist left has invaded and taken over many university and college campuses, strangling Freedom of Speech and freedom of expression. In pursuit of political correctness, many colleges have espoused limitations on what can be said and who can say it, typified by the following quote regarding not allowing Ann Coulter to speak at the University of Ottawa:

“I was just worried that things were going to be said about certain groups of people that were going to make them feel very unsafe and very uncomfortable and we promise our students here at the University of Ottawa a safe, positive space,” said Rita Valeriano, a second-year sociology and women’s studies student.

Whereas University Affairs in an opinion editorial states:

Some of the central tenets of a university education are critical thinking, intense debate and the adventurous search for truth. Faculty and students must be free to ask challenging questions and to express provocative and even at times offensive opinions without fear of official sanction or censorship. If university campuses become places where highly controversial subjects cannot be vigorously debated and challenged through words, images and non-violent actions, then where in society can we expect freedom of expression to prevail?

That many students may find the material distributed by some anti-abortion groups disturbing, offensive or misleading likely provides valid grounds to challenge these groups. The proper response, however, is argument – not censorship. To quote Noam Chomsky, “if we do not believe in freedom of speech for those we despise we do not believe in it at all.”

I may not believe in everything (or almost anything) Ann Coulter (or Michael Moore) have to say, but I strongly believe they should have the right to come on campus and say it, regardless of how many students it might ‘make uncomfortable’.

Many colleges are implementing ‘free speech zones’ and then restricting free speech outside of those zones. Frequently these zones constitute a very small percentage of the entire campus and may be in out-of-the-way places. Almost all the universities have lost when these zones were challenged in court; see free speech zones for a good review.

Oddly Balancing

Although I’d like to see an end to both of these intrusions, I am perhaps a bit mollified to note that, for someone who finally graduates with at least a bachelorate, they will have been exposed alternately to both sets of extremes during their educational tenure.

What can you do? Be more active.

Pay more attention to local politics. Who sets your local and state educational policies? Who creates or approves curriculums and textbooks? How are they elected or appointed? Find out and get active.

What colleges or universities do you have nearby? What are their free speech policies? What organizations do they have on campus? What speakers have they had? Can you suggest to any of them to perhaps bring in a Pagan speaker or speak yourself?

For further reading

 

In my last column I mentioned Freedom of Speech as a future topic. Here it is.


This right has always been a thorny one. But, as Americans, we tend to frequently take it for granted, usually only reviving it when the KKK or a neo-Nazi group decides to march (or someone burns an American flag).

What’s threatening it? And what should we be mindful of? And yes, I’ll get to the pagan parts by the end.

The First Amendment and Its Limitations

A bit of background. The right originally only applied to the government. Frequently people will be muzzled by a business or each other and cry foul; the right typically only applies to the government (originally only the Federal Government, but later extended through the 14th amendment to include state and local governments). In some cases it has been extended and/or limited in ‘public’ private areas (compare Pruneyard Shopping Center v. Robins and Free Speech Zones).

Yet no right is an absolute – the classic case of “you cannot falsely cry ‘fire’ in a crowded theatre”. Where it gets sticker is what are ‘legitimate’ reasons to muzzle free speech. Your opinion will vary.

A perfect example is the current case between Albert Snyder and the Westboro Baptist Church. Westboro pickets the funerals of our fallen soldiers with deliberate hate signs (such as “Thank God for Dead Soldiers”). In an amazing show of solidarity (purely unintentional, I’m sure), both HuffPost and Ann Coulter have articles on this case. I find myself torn on this one, personally. Is it clearly a case of IIED (see Coulter) or, since they cleared it with police beforehand and stayed in their specific ‘free speech zone’, acceptable First Amendment speech?

US vs Elsewhere

It gets even more interesting when you head out of the US. Large parts of the rest of the world – including First World democracies – don’t hold to our view of freedom of speech.

Compare the US First Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

with the European Convention on Human Rights:

Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises…

The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or the rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.

That’s a awful lot of qualifications for a ‘right’.

Rising Questions

The UN has had resolutions (see here and here) which continue to be brought forth which outlaws speech which a religious group finds ‘offensive’. Sound benign? Think about issues such as Theo van Gogh, the Danish cartoon controversy and Geert Wilders’ movie ‘Fitna’ (see here if you’re not familiar with the general discussion on the last).

From a statement made by the Deputy Secretary General of the Council of Europe:

“The European Court of Human Rights has, in the past, endorsed restrictions to the freedom of expression in order to protect religious beliefs against gratuitous insult… Furthermore, freedom of expression should not be considered a licence to offend.

There are some reasonable voices in Europe; see The Economist, for example, “The meaning of freedom: Why freedom of speech must include the right to “defame” religions” in April 2009 and The limits of freedom and faith: Opponents of a bid by Muslim states to “protect religion” claim a small success.

But overall world-wide there seems to be a feeling that what we consider as a basic right should be constrained by whatever limitations the national legislatures feels are appropriate at the time. The NY Times discussed this in Unlike Others, U.S. Defends Freedom to Offend in Speech..

US Historical Context

How does this apply? Surely it couldn’t happen here!

We periodically have Free Speech controversies.

Porn, for example, See Charles Rembar’s The End of Obscenity: The Trials of Lady Chatterley, Tropic of Cancer and Fanny Hill or, more recently, the issues with the Communications Decency Act of 1996 which led to the Reno vs. ACLU SCOTUS decision and the Child Online Protection Act regarding the regulation of porn.

And see the ‘hate speech’ discussion from the NY Times quoted above.

But there are frequent rumblings from both camps (when it suits their purpose). Calls from the right to try for treason people who objected to the ongoing War on Terror. The recent Coulter-Canada incident (sorry, Canadian reference). Calls from the left to prosecute people who might have used epithets at CongressCritters. The infamous SMU Bake Sale.

Scenarios

So if the current trend towards regulating Freedom of Speech and limiting ‘hate speech’ continues, where might it end? How about three possible worst-case scenarios?

Assume we end up with legislation banning ‘hate speech’, especially against a religion. Sounds great – no more defamation of Pagan religions, right?

The two scenarios involving Abrahamic religions we can (hopefully) all agree on:

  • A right-wing administration uses it to muzzle discussions and condemnations of extremist Christian actions.
  • A left-wing administration uses it to muzzle discussions and condemnations of extremist Islamist actions (as is already happening in Europe).

The extra scenario we might not have seen coming (I promised I’d bring it back to Pagan by the end):

In the middle of a witch war it gets invoked by one side or the other. If Freedom of Speech is limited by not ‘insulting’ a religion, then how many of the my-trad-is-better-than-your-trad witch wars could end up here? Can you imagine Witch Wars moving into Federal court? And the can of worms that would open? Also according to the First Amendment, the judge would (probably) have to assume that the speech claimed to be ‘insulting’ to the ‘religion’ was, since they prefer not to rule on either whether the religion is ‘legitimate’ or not or what constitutes ‘legitimate’ beliefs, practices, or membership (and therefore, what is insulting to that ‘religion’). The recent case in Britain when judges had to legally determine and rule on whether a person was a member of a religion or not comes to mind.

Sound far-fetched? It is. But something worth thinking about, and worth keeping up on.

First Amendment Curtailment IMHO, It’s far better to have to listen to someone insult you than for everyone to be muzzled. Unless it creates an imminent lawless action (the SCOTUS example being the ‘fire in the theatre’ example I quoted above) it should be allowed. I am a firm believer that by perhaps what some people would deem to be over-allowing Freedom of Speech, you end up with ideas being tested in the crucible of open discussion and public debate. Although perhaps harsh, crap speech and ideas tend to rather quickly die off or to be marginalized (no, crypto-conspiracies never die on the Internet, but they can be marginalized to the point the vast majority of people ignore or belittle them).

Have a good weekend, everyone.

“Of course that’s just my opinion. I could be wrong.” — Dennis Miller

 

I want to thank Jason for the opportunity to blog here. It’s been interesting to observe and comment on the posts the past few weeks and I look forward to being able to add to the dialogue (not to be confused with the over-used business term ‘dialoguing’).

Dialogue, noun


And when I say ‘dialogue’, I use the term in its meaning of:

In order to encourage such a dialogue, for my first few posts I’m going to discuss not specific issues (sorry, we’ll leave attacks against the Dominionists for later), but rather the dysfunctional process rut we as a country seem to have fallen into instead of a dialogue.

One of the major process issues I see on a day to day basis preventing a dialogue is the inability of people to communicate due to misassumptions, inability/unwillingness to consider other points of view, lack of factual information, stereotypes and unrealistic groupings, and spouting of sound bytes without any sound basis in reality. This is in part driven by the fragmentation of media, especially due to the Internet, where specific extremist groups can gather like-minded followers and immerse themselves in their own propaganda with little regard to any other viewpoints. It’s also part intellectual sloppiness on the part of the people talking.

All Pagans are ultra-left wing child-sacrificing Satanists. All Christians are ultra-right wing Dominionists” (see, I did get a Dominionist reference in!). “All Democrats are far left-wing(nut) socialist communist pinkos. All Republicans are far right-wing(nut) gun-toting fundamentalist Christians. All computer geeks are hopeless nerds with no social skills” (I do not resemble that last stereotype – no, really, I don’t).

These stereotypes might (or might not) bare some semblance of reality to a very few people associated with the larger grouping, but to arbitrarily lump large numbers of people into a single undifferentiated bucket and then label the entire bucket as ‘extremist’ is to be intellectually lazy and dishonest. It allows you to happily spout whatever sound bytes are appropriate against such ‘extremism’ on the other side whilst ignoring the facts that the ‘other side’ has many principled people who are much more moderate with reasonable ideas, and your side has whackos (the technical term) as well. It also precludes having to stop and review your own position, find supporting facts (not propaganda, facts) for your position, and to perhaps consider facts supporting a moderate position on the other side. In short, it buries the need for intellectual honesty.

Moving Forward


But what does it take to move to a more rational discourse; perhaps even to sit down with the other side and discuss points instead of yelling at each other across a divide?

  • First, it takes a willingness to admit that perhaps there are reasonable people on the other side, and that they might have valid points of view. Not everyone on the other side is an extremist. Quit using arbitrary extreme stereotypes to vilify the other side as an excuse to not listen. And quit assuming a sense of community and shared beliefs/values where little to none might exist in a bucket you made (more on this in a later post).
  • Second, it takes a willingness to sit down and talk with each other, not at each other. It takes the honesty and integrity to admit to yourself that your point of view may not be the only valid one. It takes a willingness to agree that the goal is to end up not necessarily converting the other side (‘proselytizing’ too often comes to mind – from both sides) and not even necessarily agreeing with each other on all points, but at least leaving the discussion with a better idea what the other side really thinks. Don’t believe this is possible? Then perhaps you first need to look inside yourself and see why you are so fearful of admitting the validity of a belief different from your current set.
  • Third, it takes a willingness to search out facts to support both sides, and requires the ability to judge and validate sources (something akin to an academic literature review where you are asked to filter out unreliable sources and only provide reliable information). By looking for reliable information and sources (e.g., throwing out both HuffPost and Fox News) both sides can find common facts to agree on, and from there start a dialogue about how to interpret those facts.
  • Finally, it requires the ability to be humble at times, and admit you were wrong. That the other side might have a valid point. Or, if you prevail, to not lord it over the other side – because next time, it might be you having to eat crow.

I hope over time that P+P can be a place where we can all have a dialogue, and go away more informed and more collegial than when we started.

Quotes to Ponder


I’ll close with two quotes I find relevant. I realize not all of the P+P readership is necessarily from the US (which can create its own interesting issues and disconnects; discussing Freedom of Speech, for example – another future column, perhaps), but I believe both quotations are still worthwhile to keep in mind.

I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of others to differ from me in opinion without imputing to them criminality.”
— Thomas Jefferson to Abigail Adams, 1804.

The answer to America’s problems does not lie in rigid belief or acceptance of any singular political point of view. That answer can only come through careful consideration of all points of view and then using the best of those diverse perspectives to build a real coalition that deals directly with the issues without the taint of partisanship or political extremes…

Because when all is said and done we’re not really conservatives or liberals or moderates. We’re not really Democrats or Republicans or Libertarians or any other stereotyped political label.

We’re Americans. It’s past time to remember that and reclaim our birthright.”
Doug Thompson

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